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And the position on slavery changed from time to time

And the position on slavery changed from time to time

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Sooooo. Humans and animals need the same rights? Ok, let say that humans and animals are equal. Then we should treat them like proper citizen and make the exact same laws?

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Speaking of which, my ancestors (I from Western Europe) canada goose outlet sale where eating mainly meat since the Stone Age, according to the skeletons and paintings we found. They where Hunters/Gatherers, but mostly hunters before transitioning to agriculture. And since the Stone Age murder and rape where seen as a bad thing that was regulated under canada goose jacket outlet store primitive law. And the position on slavery changed from time to time. It was not a thing, then allowed, then not, then maybe a little, then according to racial origins, then no more.

So no, animals can be treated as equals to humans. And no, you cannot replace the word “animal” with any kind of minority and makes it an argument. It a fallacious thinking. And it also insulting for the people that lived though these events. And so, deserve different rights in the natural order (and that an other topic : ecology).

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Indeed, one cannot reasonably make that argument. Happily, no one is making that argument. I think that Lesli Bisgould does a brilliant job addressing this; here a pertinent excerpt/paraphrase from that talk:

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What are the morally relevant differences between humans and other animals that makes it morally acceptable to hurt them in ways that we wouldn hurt one another?

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Well. In the same way that a rapist can be a feminist, or a bigot can be a humanist, so it is that someone who needlessly canada goose outlet paypal kills sentient individuals from other species can also be a speciesist. humans are more complex, by and large, than can be summed up by stating their position on single aspects of issues.

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